OK, now that you are up to speed from the previous post, lets walk through the complaints:
To keep this article as condensed as possible, you can read Eric Bolmdahl’s explaination on his blog. See the link here.
Now lets walk through some important parts of a letter that Mark & Raquel Peters posted in ink on the bathroom wall of the world (Internet/Social Media):
“The Team according to Forbes online are making millions. We have been promised a residual,pipeline,b type business income from Team in public and on cd’s and dvd’s for years by millionaire Team Policy council and we expect it.”
Really? I have listened to the same CDs and attended the same meetings, but don’t remember Orrin or any PC promising an income. Didn’t you study the compensation plan? It is based on volume produced by human beings, and if you can guarantee that they won’t die or stop producing volume, then I suppose you could guarantee an income! Cmon! I DO hear all of the disclaimers on every CD that they cannot guarantee results: “these techniques and approaches may work for you…”. I do believe that Orrin and the Policy Council DO to work very hard to create an environment for success.
“Our team and income has been stripped from us based on lies and slander as you will see in the enclosed letters.”
Wait a minute, something doesn’t add up. In the middle of that chaotic and confusing time, you were the only ones that didn’t get your issues resolved? Seems like your up-line would be better off (personally and financially) by working things out with you? There has to be a reason that everybody else’s issues got worked out and your’s did not? The facts don’t add up – you must have said or did something for this to be blown so out of proportion. Hmmm…
“We want our team Mr Guzzardo took and gave to Eric Blomdahl restored back to us and a public and written apology from all these people for all these vicious attacks on our character.”
Wait a minute, you want back into Team after all of the things you have said and done? So if everybody issues a public apology to you, are you ready to issue a public apology back to them for all of the things you have said and written (including this letter)?
“We have brought thousands of customers to purchase Team materials, who continue to purchase weekly.”
To say that thousands of people you brought in are still involved and purchasing today would, most likely, be an exaggeration.
“We have worked 5-6 nights a week for years promoting the Team. We want to see the Team books publicly opened showing why ours and others incomes have dropped so dramatically, how we have been paid past,present and future.”
Boo-hoo! A lot of people have sacrificed the same and much more. Why did incomes drop? Oh, I don’t know, maybe because of the multi-year, multi-million dollar, multi-state, multi-friggin’ messed up lawsuit that, from what I can tell, affected EVERYBODY? (Just a guess)
“We would like copies of any contracts we have signed for the Team.”
They have probably been destroyed since they are no longer valid for either party.
“We want past and projected future money owed and any due damages for pain and suffering and loss of income, false advertising etc because of the below reasons.”
Just like the rest of us, you received the money you earned. As for future money owed, asking for this is like getting in a fight at work, then quitting, then asking for money that you would have earned at that job had you never got into the fight to begin with.
“We also want others like us protected from future assaults and them to receive all the above as well. And there are a lot. We would like the truth to be exposed so no other person will be deceived and suffer like we have.
Team provides leadership and training materials including cd’s, books, dvd’s, websites, open meetings and seminars. We sell their training materials to a community of people that we bring to them. I started with the team and Amway in January 2003. We get paid by the Team on materials(called tools) and tickets sold, team profit sharing and speaking engagements.
For 6 years we have been promised a passive, residual, ongoing, pipeline, willable income from the Team. Team teaches us to build numbers in their training system, they have recognition based on these numbers at there seminars. I built a community of people for the team that continues to grow, working 5-6 days a week for years, promoting the team. We spoke at engagements,at the team’s request, across the country for years. I achieved the Round Table / Turbo 100 level in the Team and the Sapphire level in Quixtar/Amway in 2007. We were making enough money with the Team and Amway to give up my photography business and for my husband to give up his plant manager position and pursue the Team business full time.”
Nobody told you to quit your jobs. This was your choice and you need to be mature enough to understand the risks of taking those steps. I know that many people that achieved the same level you did, worked just as hard as you did, and left good jobs like you did, then had to humble themselves and go back to work. They admirably did what they had to do to support their families. I respect that tremendously! Did they have a pity party? I’m sure each one did. Did they blame, accuse, slander and smear online? No. Some quit. Some snapped out of the pity-party and went back to work to rebuild what was lost.
“Quixtar/Amway was not mentioned at any open meetings or seminars. Always it was implied the Team was the business that built communities and Amway was just the shopping portal we used. At one time all profit sharers were herded into a room at a Go-Diamond weekend and told we needed to sign a 25 page document to get paid from the Team. Raquel asked if she could take it home and mail they said no and when asked to get a copy was told no. I couldn’t get copies and was given 5 minutes to sign it, encircled by Team office workers. She trusted them and went against her uneasiness and signed it.”
This is a huge exaggeration! 5 minutes?! Haha! I was there. You had all afternoon and the workers were there to help and answer questions (which I had a lot of them). I read everything and the majority of it was about being honest, having character and not disparaging each other. This was not a complicated document full of lawyer-talk.
“It was implied we (the Team) would be the Walmart of the Internet.”
This is completely false! I was there at all of the meetings and listened to the same CDs. This is taken completely out of context and I can’t believe people are still whining about this. Is this the real reason you are upset??? Gimme a break, before Quixtar made all of their crazy changes, the product goal was to help make Quixtar the ‘Walmart of the Internet’ (NEVER to create our own). Do you know what a metaphor is? Team and Policy council were always about trying to make a difference with the stated goal of doing so in the lives of 1 million people.
“Our income was presently 8000 to 12000 a month from the Team and 2000-3000 a month, from Amway/Quixtar. In spring of 2007, at Go Diamond Weekend, all the silvers and above were shown a document, on overhead,on how the Team paid us based on numbers of people using Team information. It was very inticing. It was removed quickly when some people took pictures of it, angering some policy council members.”
Those numbers may have been a proposal. My guess is they didn’t want you to go around and guarantee numbers that were not approved by legal council. Again, you are twisting the truth here.
“A few months later in August , Mr. Woodward and other Team Leaders chose to leave Amway/Quixtar. We knew if we didn’t leave with the Team, our team would be gone. Also we were unhappy with the pricing of Quixtar so we trusted and followed,. We were told by the Guzzardo’s what date to resign from Quixtar and then told ” not all of us to do it on the same day.” We had a 6 month nocompete to fulfill. The Team told everyone to sell leadership materials during this time, as they continued with our seminars and tool sales. (our open meetings were shut down due to lawsuits) Our income dropped from 80,000 in 2007 to about $600 most months in 2008. My husband and I had no jobs and they knew it.”
Uh, so did everybody’s income! It’s a sad story, but not unique to you. This is what happens when you fight with a billion dollar company. If they didn’t fight, Quixtar was going to kill a big chuck of your product profits (with their sweeping BV reductions) and take away 100% of your Team income (with their ban on business support materials/systems). Think about it! I’m sorry that you didn’t learn a business mindset with your years on the team. I suppose you are lucky you made $600 most months. What the Woodward’s and the rest of the leaders were fighting for was YOUR chance to make that kind of money again!
“Also the Morgans income and others dropped like that as well.Again no explanation and no other contracts signed.”
Really?! At this time all of the top leaders were under judicial gag-orders! Of course nobody could explain anything to you. At your level, you were supposed to be a leader and do the best you could with what little knowledge that you had. Oh, and when your income dropped, you don’t whine about it, you suck it up and go back to work like a responsible adult.
“We have never seen how our pay is figured, except for seminar speaking where there was a flat fee based on our team levels.”
Isn’t it funny that when you were making $80,000 you never complain or inquire about how they pay you, it’s only when it drops that you make a fuss…It’s profit-sharing, not a job-type fixed income!
“While others in our group appeared to make much more and also were offered to speak at seminars to keep their income up we were going broke.”
You don’t know how much “others were making”. And people don’t get offers to speak because they need the money. The best business builders always did the speaking based on recent performance.
“The tools were sold and changed frequently over these 6 months making them useless and profit sharers were made financially responsible for refunds. Many people quit because of the expenses incurred and the Team never followed through on Walmart of Internet which was promoted cd’s and resold.”
“When they demanded in March/April that we register people in Mona Vie, most that we were working with were not legally free of there 6 month contract.”
Nobody demanded anything. You were given a choice just like the rest of us.
“We had been told from stage no one would be left behind. For years these people that we loved and cared about had bought team and quixtar products that all the “leaders” got paid on. We had the paperwork for our smaller leg and decided to put a few in at a time, as they got free, because it was the right thing to do. We wanted people to be put in the same order as they gotten started on the team. Because for years we told them to hold their spot.
We had @10 people free and hundred+ that were not. Mr Blomdahl recommended that we give away all our personals except three, to the Samuels.Our other team was already registered and we knew no one else had done that. Mona Vie’s pay plan was based on our personals. We decided to work with John Morgan who we trusted on our registration process.”
So if, for example, if you had 50 personals, you wanted to start 50 legs?? Uh, OK. But when people who don’t really understand MonaVie’s structure realize that their binary LOOKS like they have people in their group, but in reality, you actually would have stolen them to add to another “Leg” or PET (Personal Enrollment Tree) because you wanted to make more money. Again, this doesn’t make any sense. My guess is that your up-line was trying to help you keep your promise to the group. But because you were misunderstood and under stress (just like the rest of us) you lashed out instead of working things out? I don’t know…
“Because of all this, our credibility continued to be destroyed by Mr Blomdahl and Mr Guzzardo and the Samuels.”
Trying to defend themselves against YOUR social media attacks doesn’t sound like they were trying to go on the offensive and destroy your credibility…
“More people quit, stopped coming to seminars and meetings. They were angry that the integrity of the line of sposorship wasn’t kept and some about the phone calls they recieved from the Samuels. All this created doubt confusion and upheaval in our team.This destroyed the unity of our group. When we went to our seminars some wouldnt talk to us.When people asked us what happened we did not deny the truth. Also they werent happy about the broken promises made by the Team Leadership.”
Are we back to the ridiculous ‘Walmart of the Internet” thing again?! Sounds like we found the root of your bitterness!
“Mr. Guzzardo had a secret meeting with blomdahls, Samuels, klomsten and gina Schaefer to talk about how they couldn’t work with us! They began to put people in wrong places and cause more destruction at the instruction of Mr. Guzzardo.I knew this was wrong and spoke thru email to Mr Woodward, Guzzardo’s superior. Mr woodward agreed this was wrong.”
Did you call Mr. Guzzardo? Or are you just speculating, assuming and assigning false motives?
“In nov 2008 the Morgans were checking out another, noncompeting business to do along side their mv business for extra income and had sent an email to their family and a few best friends on the Team. They said hey check this out.”
This is crazy! If you build two businesses at the same time with the same people, you just create too much confusion!
“This other business was similar to the one Mr Guzzardo and Mr Woodward had promoted we would go to, all those months we were waiting and it never came.”
You’re kidding, right? Another ‘Walmart of the Internet’ comment?? You must have been one of the people that falsely promised this to your group and are embarrassed that your misunderstanding made you look like a liar (so you pass the blame upline)…
“Our names were not included in this email. Mr Guzzardo got ahold of email and went around and slandered the Morgans and their friends, systematically destroyed their teams that gain them income and destroyed the Morgans credibility to thousands. Secret Meetings were called in all our groups as well as Morgans teams by Mr Blomdahl and Guzzardo. The Blomdahl’s, Guzzardo’s and Samuels then slandered us to our groups, upline and downline. Mr Guzzardo told Jammie Fisher we were implicated and told Ben Prescher we had moved on and quit our business.The Morgans joined a coupon cutting business, according to Jammie Luerquin. Our team name was changed and we were out. We had not joined any business, had not quit, Raquel was in and out of the emergency room and hospital at this time. Were still buying their materials and attending their seminars and getting paid from the Team.”
Sounds like they were just trying to protect their group from getting into something that would eventually be proven to fail…
“Not Mr guzzardo, Blomdahl, Winklers, Samuels, Hawkins, woodwards, Oettinger, Team Office anyone who slandered us had called us or the Morgans before they pulled these stunts.At this time us and the Morgan’s decided to quit attending team functions as Raquel was very sick and we felt we could no longer associate with people like that. We kept buying their cd’s, and quit buying seminar tickets and waited to see if they would pay us our income we had earned. We have spent thousands of dollars on Team materials and events and thousands of hours of our personal time. We gave it all to serve the Team. We were crushed.”
This doesn’t add up. It sounds like you were the ones that were not communicating and getting increasingly bitter as time went on.
“We now have received this letter from the Samuels that is full of lies and 1/2 truths. The Samuels have only spoken to us face to face twice since spring 2008 and that was last summer 2008 and two weeks ago when Tim showed up at Raquels’ dad’s. He has never mentioned he had a problem or brought up the Team. Him and his wife made it very clear right from the start theydidnt want to work with Raquel and that they were working with Mr Blomdahl and didnt want the help which we have offered. It is normal for people to work with any upline they chose and it was always ok with us, like we have chosen to work with upline higher than Mr blomdahl , the Morgans. We believe that the Samuels have been put up to this letter to take away our income by Mr Guzzardo and Mr Blomdahl and the Team . Tim Samuels is my cousin and knows that we built most of his team for him and he inherited volume from all the hard work we did. Our team has been removed from our business management screen and given to Mr Blomdahl. Mr Blomdahl has noone personally sponsored in the Samuels organization that I’m aware of and He didn’t build our team, he did support it in a small way as is his job, and he already was getting paid for it.This appears to help Mr Blomdahl get a higher income.Because of this letter and action and Mr Guzzardo’s approval this has removed us from our profit sharing and took our future Team income away. Our total Team income was $80,000 in 2007 according to our 1099, $18,000 in 2008 and has been ave $600-800 a month this year and now is being taken away. The communities that we helped build, Including the Samuels and Hawkins groups have brought to the team approximately $70,000 in sales this month alone. These sales will continue as long as these teams continue to exist in the Team system.”
This is misleading, because it is impossible to know how much is left from what you previously helped build and how much you destroyed with your rants on social media. Also, if all the sales happen mostly in one leg, you don’t get compensated anything – all networking profits are based on volume growth in multiple organizations.
“We sent an email stating these were lies and were told it was up to Mr. Guzzardo in the letter from the office. We have asked for contracts from the Team office we have signed and have had no reply.
Our family is in financial ruin as well as many others, that are too afraid to speak out . We have so many bills we cant pay, my husband has had to go back towork and is making 1/2 of what he made at his plant manager position and our Mona vie income is dropping because of this too. We feel we were misled for years and left our children for the Team. Now we are destroyed financially, our credibility in our community is destroyed and Raquel’s health is destroyed as well.. In 2007 we were debt free outside of our mortgage, now we may possibly be forced to file bankruptcy and lose our home, due to unpaid taxes and bills as well as. We can no longer even afford every day bills much less the things we need to continue to build our business. We are humiliated. There has been a lot of pain and suffering for all of us.””
Mark and Raquel Peters
Again, this is a sad story, but we are all responsible for our choices of what we do with our money and time. To blame others 100% for our plights is childish. If you were successful before in corporate America and business, you can become successful again. There are many others that went through similar struggles with their Team business but responded differently. These people have learned a lot of great lessons from the struggle and are successfully rebuilding what they lost in 2007-2008.
Closing questions to think about:
Why did you take to social media to constantly slam people that you professed to care about (including family members), so much so that it took a judge to get you to stop??
I understand the need to be heard, but did you think that writing on the bathroom wall of the world with a permanent marker was going to solve your problems? (Oh, I get it, it was all about YOU and your need to vent. I bet that made you feel all better, huh?)
This all needs to stop. The lawsuits, the smearing on social networking, the fighting – everything. Raquel, you could put a stop to this all. This is out of check ego, selfishness and falsely assuming that you knew what other people were thinking. This all picked up speed when you started to look for somebody to comiserate with instead of solutions. This really exploded when you found other bitter supporters. The other problem with this whole mess is that you didn’t damage relationships with just a few, you chose to damage with thousands of people that once had a great deal of respect for you. The ending to this course of events will be the same bad feelings around and some very profitable lawyers.